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Old 11-24-2010, 5:36 PM
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I just came back from a g -store and i wanted to see the thunder ranch by les baer but the only thing they had was the premier with the blue finish. I liked it but the sales rep alse let me see the night hawk talon (shiny black)and the ed brown spec forces, black finish. I could not decide but are they all in the same line? is there a comparison chart. I wanted to get a custom 1911 with good value for left and right handers. I really could not tell the diff but only withthe finish and the night hawk was only for right handers because of the safety
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Whoa, hold your horses chief. Be carefull on how you refer to a Custom and Semi-Custom 1911 Pistol before a 1911 aficionado (I'm not one of them, though I can appreciate a good 1911) comes by and beats you down

All of the before mentioned pistols are on the same playing field, it'll come down to personal preference and feel of the pistol in hand. Really can't go wrong with any of them.

Might as well include Wilson Combat into the mix if your going the semi-custom route
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The LB PII is a great gun, but get the TRS if you are looking at Les Baer. Better overall gun imo. (even though I own a PII)
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We won't beat you down, we'll just let you know that these aren't usually referred to as custom 1911s...usually they would be referred to a high-end production or semi-custom 1911.

When you get to the lower end of the high end 1911, a lot of it becomes a matter of taste. You mind as well include the Springfield Armory Professional in the mix too.

I consider the Les Baer line a very good value at this level and the Premier II is the mainstay of his line.
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I've had excellent experience with a Les Baer TRS
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From the three choices, I like the Ed Brown.
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would pick the NHC or Baer.
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so much comparisons (including internals to distinguish between custom, semi-custom and mim parts) and info here.
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Your initial interest in the Thunder Ranch Special is almost psychic. This pistol is emerging as a standard.

In my own experience: I have four higher end .45 ACP (Colt, Wilson, Kimber, Baer) and the TRS is the one I prefer shooting.
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I have been plagued with the same dilemma for over a year now, and I think that I have narrowed it down to either a Les Baer SRP with the 1.5 accuracy guarantee or maybe another Premier II, but this one with the 1.5 accuracy guarantee. These are my personal preferences, and why. Yours probably will vary.
Ed Brown Executive Target, Republik of kalifornia legal: The most beautiful of the lot. Sights melted down slightly more than the other ones making for a cleaner profile. Slide top flattened and serrated. Very clean lines. Not excited about the coating though. Blue could have made a difference in my voting.
Springfield Professional: Republik of Kalifornia Legal: Great gun, great looks, built like a tank. Blue finish could have made a difference on this gun too. Don't like the large radius directly under the trigger guard where it meets the handle. Reliability plus. Basically, a year wait though I hear.
Wilson: Just a tad too high on price on the Wilsons. And I can't afford a Supergrade either.
Nighthawk: Just can't fall in love with the basic profile of the Nighthawk guns. Nor the too black finish.
Even though this comes down to a personal preference, the Les Baer came in first for me.
For looks, the Ed Brown Executive Target just can't be beat.
For accuracy, the Les Baer 1.5 accuracy guarantee can't be beat.
Nighthawk: just don't like the looks, nor the large hawk logo on the side.
Wilson: Beautiful gun, but I think that I would be happier with the Baer.
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One thing that needs to be mentioned is that if lack of an ambi-safety is the only thing keeping you from getting a certain model, you can add an ambi-safety to the gun. I ended up getting a Les Baer Custom Carry but I think all of them are good. Congrats in advance on getting a nice new 1911
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I've had a Les Baer TRS that I bought used for about a year. I hunted for a used one for about a year.....was worth it: Saved $600

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For the price, the TRS is tough to beat. NH GRP is also a great choice but there is a significant price increase.
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The next 1911 I get will be the Nighthawk GRP Recon only for the reason I want a Light rail if CA safe Special Forces was offered with a light rail that would be a tough decision.
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I don't like Ed Brown's scallop treatment at all, so I'm looking for a used Baer at the right price. Between $1500 and $2000 maybe the SA Pro, but anything more than that I'm going full, not semi-custom. I just saw a Nighthawk 10-8 package going for $1750...
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sorry for thread jacking but what do you all think about the les baer concept ii compared to the TRS? is the price difference worth what you get out of the TRS? i believe its about $250 in price difference?
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I've had a Les Baer TRS that I bought used for about a year. I hunted for a used one for about a year.....was worth it: Saved $600

I've run about 6500 rounds through it so far with 2 FTF's that were the fault of the pos Baer mag that came with the gun. I've since used nothing but Wilson 47D's with the Tripp rebuild kit and CMC Powermags. It's the most reliable gun I have. Yes, even more so than my Glocks and even my S&W 686. It simply refuses to fail. More accurate than I am. Had a friend put it in a ransom rest and punch 2" groups with match ammo.

You won't be disappointed if you buy ANY Baer. Though personally, my three favs are the TRS, CC and of course the SRP. For me it made more sense to get the TRS and set it up the way I wanted. Got the grips I like, a Wilson Bulletproof slidestop/extractor/ejector, put in some EGW stainless grip screws and a 10-8 rear sight with the original front converted to a gold dot and reblued. It fits me like a glove, wouldn't trade it for anything. Only thing I need now is a flat trigger and a removable magwell.

Anyways, if you want a perfect gun: get an Ed Brown. They're flawless! You want a perfect gun and have some money burning a hole in your pocket get a Wilson. But if you want a perfect FUNCTIONING gun at a value price for a hand assembled gun get a Baer. Where you save money is on the less than perfect/slightly rough in some cases finish, & the cheap hot blue job. Neither one affects function and they're fit just as well as the other high end semi customs out there...just not as exactingly perfect. To put it short: they beg to be shot. I know next to nothing about Nighthawks other than they don't catch my interest.
Not to be argumentative and sorry to disagree, but Ed Browns are far from perfect. To me they are the most beautiful .45 auto in their price range, but their functionality, reliability, and customer service leave a lot to be desired. Currently, they seem to be having their problems with cracked / separated barrel bushings. If they were perfect, I would have at least 2 in my safe.
No flaming intended, but if you belong / read some of the other gun forums out there, you would probably draw the same conclusions as I did. HTH
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I've had a NightHawk GRP for almost a year. I looked at Wilson, LB, and Ed Brown. I decided on NHC. I've purchased it from George from Gunslingers. Although they may have had a recent price increase, buying directly from NHC with a LEO/Military discount is still expensive. The reason I decide on Nighthawk is because of their customer service. I purchased my GRP when the price was still affordable. The Customer service for NHC is second to none. If there is a problem with the gun, NHC will pay shipping both ways. In mho, for a highend 1911, NHC will do anything you want for your firearm (if you supply the part or they order the part for you), I like the fact that NHC is a small business. They may have their growing pains, but they always comes though to make it right or make new a new gun. I've also recently seen Costa and Haley rocking their NHC in pics and videos, but that was not the selling factor for me or am I a Magpul fanboy.
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Thanks all, I really liked the way the nh talon felt. but it was a bit more. no ambi safety. the eb special foces was nice too. but the LB prem2 was a lot cheaper. I still have not seen a LB TRS yet. but im hoping to find a store that has one. maybe its that good. they are sold fast.

ok, im not a expert shooter so at this point i probably cant tell the difference in the accuracy line.

but at the end of the day. i would want a reliable gun that will just shoot with different types of ammo. (basic, special ammo). home defense as well

It seems like the the LB TRS is great for realiability.

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I think the LB TRS is a great, possibly the best, value in the semi-custom 1911's. I just think their blueing is weak so budget in a refinish down the road.
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...or embrace the wear.

You should see the engraved Baer that Clint Smith uses...now that gun has a lot of holster wear on it
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Not to be argumentative and sorry to disagree, but Ed Browns are far from perfect. To me they are the most beautiful .45 auto in their price range, but their functionality, reliability, and customer service leave a lot to be desired. Currently, they seem to be having their problems with cracked / separated barrel bushings. If they were perfect, I would have at least 2 in my safe.
No flaming intended, but if you belong / read some of the other gun forums out there, you would probably draw the same conclusions as I did. HTH

Sorry to burst your bubble bro but when I say perfect I mean appearance wise fit/finish. No gun is fail proof and everything breaks. Every Brown or Wilson I've ever seen was a cookie cutter gun...everything even and exquisitely fit with a uniform finish. Customer service is really subjective. Some people will swear by a company and some people will swear AT it. The two companies I've really never heard anything bad about are Wilson and Nighthawk. Correction, Springfield as well. All the others have their share of justified complaints. Even Les Baer. I've never dealt with them beyond ordering a few parts so I really have nothing to say on it.

A couple cracked bushings isn't enough to turn me off of a gun company. People draw too much from hearing the experiences of a few. That's like saying Glocks are garbage because they have kabooms. I've heard stories of TRS's failing and needing to be worked on just like any other gun, not mine and I think you'll hear the same from nearly everyone else. Listen closely and I doubt you'll hear any different from owners of Browns and Wilsons. My best friend has a Brown that's gone something like 12k with nothing but spring changes (only a few FTF's and FTE's from out of spec reloads or so I recall) and still has a trigger that I would love on my own gun. After shooting his and seeing his experiences with it I would have no problem with buying a Brown. Especially after seeing how fast their turnaround time was when he had a magwell and a single side safety installed. If I ever see a used SF at a reasonable price I'm jumping on it.
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I think the LB TRS is a great, possibly the best, value in the semi-custom 1911's. I just think their blueing is weak so budget in a refinish down the road.
The finish on Baers is perfect it wears so easily, you put your own custom "holster" finish on in no time . There really is something nice about a well worn gun. If you don't like that and want a finish that'll look new for quite a while check out Ion Bond's Tungsten DLC. Now THAT is one tough mutha! There are a few smiths out there that'll send it in for you. John Harrison (sp?) is one. Every time I look at the worn finish on my TRS I get nostalgic about Grandpa's old Colt though....
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Sorry to burst your bubble bro but when I say perfect I mean appearance wise fit/finish. No gun is fail proof and everything breaks. Every Brown or Wilson I've ever seen was a cookie cutter gun...everything even and exquisitely fit with a uniform finish. Customer service is really subjective. Some people will swear by a company and some people will swear AT it. The two companies I've really never heard anything bad about are Wilson and Nighthawk. Correction, Springfield as well. All the others have their share of justified complaints. Even Les Baer. I've never dealt with them beyond ordering a few parts so I really have nothing to say on it.

A couple cracked bushings isn't enough to turn me off of a gun company. People draw too much from hearing the experiences of a few. That's like saying Glocks are garbage because they have kabooms. I've heard stories of TRS's failing and needing to be worked on just like any other gun, not mine and I think you'll hear the same from nearly everyone else. Listen closely and I doubt you'll hear any different from owners of Browns and Wilsons. My best friend has a Brown that's gone something like 12k with nothing but spring changes (only a few FTF's and FTE's from out of spec reloads or so I recall) and still has a trigger that I would love on my own gun. After shooting his and seeing his experiences with it I would have no problem with buying a Brown. Especially after seeing how fast their turnaround time was when he had a magwell and a single side safety installed. If I ever see a used SF at a reasonable price I'm jumping on it.
If you want to bust someone's bubbles, you are going to have to find someone much younger than I am that has some bubble left. I don't. Had no idea that when you were referring to perfect, you were limiting your definition to appearance, as in fit and finish only. And you are correct, but some things, brands, and / or selections break / malfunction more than others. All of the EB's that I have seen are a tad better in cosmetics over the Wilsons, other than the very high end Wilson supergrades in the mid 4K range. I've heard bad on all of them, but some more than others. I don't think that Nighthawks's reputation has been quite the same since one of their top gunnies left and started his own company. Prior to that, I had heard very little bad about NH. Springfield is just like every other gun company, their top guns such as the professional and Custom Shop guns are tops, their lower tree hanging guns are just like the lower hanging tree guns of everybody else. I own and shoot a Springer Trophy Match, one of their first ones out, when they were still forged and machined over here and not in SA. Great gun, was extremely fairly priced when i bought it, Nowlin barrel, I believe. Very accurate, but generally edged out by my Les Baer Premier II on paper and definitely edged out by my Jim Hoag longslide.
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I have been plagued with the same dilemma for over a year now, and I think that I have narrowed it down to either a Les Baer SRP with the 1.5 accuracy guarantee or maybe another Premier II, but this one with the 1.5 accuracy guarantee. These are my personal preferences, and why. Yours probably will vary.
Ed Brown Executive Target, Republik of kalifornia legal: The most beautiful of the lot. Sights melted down slightly more than the other ones making for a cleaner profile. Slide top flattened and serrated. Very clean lines. Not excited about the coating though. Blue could have made a difference in my voting.
Springfield Professional: Republik of Kalifornia Legal: Great gun, great looks, built like a tank. Blue finish could have made a difference on this gun too. Don't like the large radius directly under the trigger guard where it meets the handle. Reliability plus. Basically, a year wait though I hear.
Wilson: Just a tad too high on price on the Wilsons. And I can't afford a Supergrade either.
Nighthawk: Just can't fall in love with the basic profile of the Nighthawk guns. Nor the too black finish.
Even though this comes down to a personal preference, the Les Baer came in first for me.
For looks, the Ed Brown Executive Target just can't be beat.
For accuracy, the Les Baer 1.5 accuracy guarantee can't be beat.
Nighthawk: just don't like the looks, nor the large hawk logo on the side.
Wilson: Beautiful gun, but I think that I would be happier with the Baer.
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I have several Les Baer's including a SRP with the 1.5 inch guarantee. I would suggest if buying on just get the regular SRP which comes with a 2 inch guarantee and save a little money. You probably will not be able to tell the difference.
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...or embrace the wear.

You should see the engraved Baer that Clint Smith uses...now that gun has a lot of holster wear on it
People who think gun-smithing is too expensive should not ever look up engraving costs... it's A LOT. Someday I'll have a BBQ gun that I can manage to wear out.
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I have several Les Baer's including a SRP with the 1.5 inch guarantee. I would suggest if buying on just get the regular SRP which comes with a 2 inch guarantee and save a little money. You probably will not be able to tell the difference.
Not to be argumentative, but I believe that the SRP comes with a 2.5" standard accuracy guarantee and not a 2.0" guarantee. I currently have a Les Baer Premier II standard 3" accuracy guarantee, and had another a few years back. I appreciate your suggestion and / or comment regarding the extra $400 for only getting another 1" accuracy improvement, and a possible delay in shipping time, but I feel that the extra 1" tighter grouping ability will remove any cheating on my part to claim that it is the gun and / or ammo. Many thanks for the suggestion though.
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on the bubble part, glad you took it how I meant it. No disrespect meant, just how I speak with friends AND strangers alike. What is it my mom used to call me as I was growing up?......ah, an irreverant bastard fond memories.

Anyhow, I know what you mean about the frequency of breakages being higher in some than others...Wilson probably having the least of em all from what I hear. I really haven't heard of a disproportionate number of "bad" with ANY of the brands mentioned and for the most part I've heard of responsive service and quick turnaround in most cases where a warranty type issue came up. One of the worst stories I've heard was Plexi's experience with Les Baer fixing (or in his case NOT fixing) his problem with his seemingly "lemon" SRP over on the 1911 forums. Even so I'd be perfectly comfortable with buying or recommending one based on what I know both first hand and by word of mouth/type. I haven't really seen much beyond a thread on a cracked Ed Brown bushing on the 1911 forums. If you have any good links I'd love to read them. I enjoy reading up on guns! I don't know much about NH Customs but from what I've heard they make a solid gun with stellar service but I don't know specifics. Never seen a Wilson Supergrade but uli can imagine they're impressive based on the CQB's I've seen and shot. Definitely wouldn't kick one out of the gunsafe. I'm with you on LB though. I've shot some nice guns when shooting with others but my TRS really leaves me wanting....nothing if I want something different I just have my gun modded and keep shooting. If I had wanted adjustable sights I'd have went with the PII just like you and been just as happy. Btw: how do the factory sights hold up. Did you swap the rear out or keep it stock? That was my only issue. I'm hard on my stuff and didn't want to have the liability of a sight that can break. I already broke the sight on my Ruger match pistol and mangled the sight on my S&W 686 to where I'm the only person that can hit anything with it as the sight is so skewed.

The one cs experience I had was with Springfield on a M1A and was very impressed. They were so fast and communicative. I would have no problem buying a Springer 1911. The three guns I was looking at when I wanted to get a higher end gun than my Colt XSE were the LB TRS, Brown SF and the Springer CC. I still think those three represent a sound purchase bang to buck wise. Love to have a Pro eventually! THAT is a sweet gun!


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If you want to bust someone's bubbles, you are going to have to find someone much younger than I am that has some bubble left. I don't. Had no idea that when you were referring to perfect, you were limiting your definition to appearance, as in fit and finish only. And you are correct, but some things, brands, and / or selections break / malfunction more than others. All of the EB's that I have seen are a tad better in cosmetics over the Wilsons, other than the very high end Wilson supergrades in the mid 4K range. I've heard bad on all of them, but some more than others. I don't think that Nighthawks's reputation has been quite the same since one of their top gunnies left and started his own company. Prior to that, I had heard very little bad about NH. Springfield is just like every other gun company, their top guns such as the professional and Custom Shop guns are tops, their lower tree hanging guns are just like the lower hanging tree guns of everybody else. I own and shoot a Springer Trophy Match, one of their first ones out, when they were still forged and machined over here and not in SA. Great gun, was extremely fairly priced when i bought it, Nowlin barrel, I believe. Very accurate, but generally edged out by my Les Baer Premier II on paper and definitely edged out by my Jim Hoag longslide.
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Not to be argumentative, but I believe that the SRP comes with a 2.5" standard accuracy guarantee and not a 2.0" guarantee. I currently have a Les Baer Premier II standard 3" accuracy guarantee, and had another a few years back. I appreciate your suggestion and / or comment regarding the extra $400 for only getting another 1" accuracy improvement, and a possible delay in shipping time, but I feel that the extra 1" tighter grouping ability will remove any cheating on my part to claim that it is the gun and / or ammo. Many thanks for the suggestion though.
Have you shot your PII from a ransom rest? It wouldn't surprise me if it shot tighter than it's rated at with some good ammo. Mine did. I have no excuse for missing

Edit to add: you might just find that $400 is only getting you .5" or so if you got lucky with the Baer you already have. Though it would be nice to have a gun built to more exacting tolerances from the ground up. I'm tempted to buy an aquaintence's basically new PII 1.5" for $1500 right now. I'm going to hold out for my Brown SF though. I won't be satisfied until I get one. Then I can have the "royal blue" type job done on my TRS when I revamp it in a couple years and have a new gun to wear in. I like tight leather holsters and the rear only serrations will be beneficial.

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Have you shot your PII from a ransom rest? It wouldn't surprise me if it shot tighter than it's rated at with some good ammo. Mine did. I have no excuse for missing

Edit to add: you might just find that $400 is only getting you .5" or so if you got lucky with the Baer you already have. Though it would be nice to have a gun built to more exacting tolerances from the ground up. I'm tempted to buy an aquaintence's basically new PII 1.5" for $1500 right now. I'm going to hold out for my Brown SF though. I won't be satisfied until I get one. Then I can have the "royal blue" type job done on my TRS when I revamp it in a couple years and have a new gun to wear in. I like tight leather holsters and the rear only serrations will be beneficial.
No, the PII has never been shot on a Ransom rest, and I suspect that you could be correct on the only getting .5" out of the extra $400. Bear is not known for his attitude towards customer complaints, returns, and service. I believe that Les Baer is only one notch above Brown on his customer service. Both are definitely considered behind the eight ball on customer service when compared to Nighthawk Custom, Springfield, & Wilson Combat.
Did you have an opportunity to read the comparison / appraisal on 6speed.com that I listed the addy up above? It is definitely worth your read.
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No, the PII has never been shot on a Ransom rest, and I suspect that you could be correct on the only getting .5" out of the extra $400. Bear is not known for his attitude towards customer complaints, returns, and service. I believe that Les Baer is only one notch above Brown on his customer service. Both are definitely considered behind the eight ball on customer service when compared to Nighthawk Custom, Springfield, & Wilson Combat.
Did you have an opportunity to read the comparison / appraisal on 6speed.com that I listed the addy up above? It is definitely worth your read.
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no, I passed it up....didn't show up as a link for me but I'll google the parameters and see what comes up.
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Thanks all, I really liked the way the nh talon felt. but it was a bit more. no ambi safety. the eb special foces was nice too. but the LB prem2 was a lot cheaper. I still have not seen a LB TRS yet. but im hoping to find a store that has one. maybe its that good. they are sold fast.


again thank you
I have a TRS and it did not come with an ambi-safety. If that is important to you keep it in mind.
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As a general rule, I do my best to avoid posting hot-links to other forums as some sites frown upon doing that, but in this case, I feel that it is important enough and spot on that I am going to post it up. This is an excellent read and worth anybody's time that is even thinking of a upper level 1911 or semi-custom / limited production 1911.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/g...11s-1911s.html
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Default the nighthawk talon felt the best but a few hundred more than baer.

the grip safety on the night hawk talon felt nice. slim ( like the colt feel). but no-ambdi safety. if i buy one and pt that ambi safety. will i break the warranty? the baer is still cheaper. ed brown was nice too but i only held one that is the special forces.
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I have owned several Baers, a CQB, and several Springer Customs. My criteria basically revolves around the Sig P210. I want a 1911 that comes close to or matches the fit/finish/accuracy/reliability of this gun. Only the Springfield Custom guns come close. Here is what I found wrong with the others:

Baer: Slide to frame is not as tight. Barrel lugs out of square. Sight cuts have excessive gaps.

Wilson: Barrel bushing loose. Lower lug fit too loose. Machining rough in the breech face/ejection port area.

Brown: Barrel hood fit too loose- too much gap on the sides. Slide/frame not as tight.

NH: Cosmetic issues- bad checkering, rear of slide/frame improperly blended, etc.

SA Custom cuts the frame rails after measuring the slide rails. Then they lap them together. If you have the ability to choose, you can find a gun with absolutely zero play like the Sig P210. The barrel is hard fit for tight lockup as is the bushing. All the cuts are perfect. There aren't any gaps anywhere. The gun is so tight that you'd never expect it to function, yet it does, 100% of the time. It is worth every penny.

They are not prettiest, but they are the best fitted in terms of tolerance and clearance.
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I have always wanted a Sig P210, even though 9MM is not my favorite caliber.
Considered to be one of the worlds most accurate out of the box factory stock guns.
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